Ms. Popovic is not afraid of taking chances. It is this
willingness to explore and move beyond accepted boundaries that is
a trait of many of music's greatest artists.
Experiencing Ana Popovic live is a thrill. She grabs the audience
and takes them for a musical ride down roads less traveled.
Should you get the opportunity to attend one of her concerts, fasten
your seatbelt and open your ears and your mind. You may find that
your final destination is an appreciation of a different kind of Blues
artist - Ana Popovic.
Barrelhouse Blues ("BB") recently had the opportunity to speak with
Ms. Popovic after her performance at the North River Blues Festival
in Marshfield, Massachusetts. Ana is every bit as enthusiastic
discussing her music and her career as she is about performing live.
It was a pleasure sharing the time with her. We hope you enjoy this
insightful interview as well. Read on...
BB: Tell us about your background, your influences and how you got
started playing the guitar.
AP: Yeah, I listened to Blues before I remember music. There was
nothing else in my house, and my father has a large collection of
records. You know and I heard no European stuff, just American roots
music. American black music. I grew up listening to Elmore James,
Bukka White and Howlin’ Wolf. And later on, Stevie Ray Vaughan
and Albert King and Albert Collins. Robert Cray and these guys and
I loved it. It was a very danceable thing. I was singing the songs
way before I could even understand what these people were singing
about. And when I heard Elmore James, I couldn’t help but take
the slide in my hands. Dust My Broom was one of the first slide solos
that I learned, and Done Somebody Wrong and stuff like that. I learned
it just by listening to records. That’s why I play standard
tuning. I don’t play open, I mean nobody really knew how to
play slide in Yugoslavia. And I started to playing with Albert King.
Those were my first solos. And later Stevie Ray Vaughan. And later
on, Ronnie Earl really turned me on to jazz. And because it sounded
so jazzy to me, and I loved this moment when you are too jazzy for
a Blues player and too bluesy for a jazz player. And I loved that,
and that is what I wanted to be. And then I studied jazz for sometime
to be able to have my own licks instead of copying T-Bone Walker or
Ronnie Earl or whatever. The guys who are into jazz a little bit as
well. Then I came across John Scofield, Kevin Eubanks and guys who
art totally into jazz and fusion and exploring the sounds. But, I
definitely grew up on Blues music. Collins and Cray and Copeland...these
guys.
BB: It’s nice that you take influences other than Blues, which
is what you started with, and combine them and advance the genre.
We believe that it’s important to honor the tradition, but equally
important to advance the art to keep it vital and fresh. So it’s
a great thing when an artist like yourself, pushes the boundaries
and moves the art forward.
AP: Thank you. I also think it’s a good thing, although I think
keeping the tradition is also very important. In Europe, you also
have a lot of people that play very traditionally, although on the
edge with rockabilly style and T-Bone Walker type stuff – which
is also very good. But in Europe, you often miss a lot of freedom
to explore your own stuff. A lot of people just want to play T-Bone
Walker. They want to be Stevie Ray Vaughan or Jimmie Vaughan. They
pick one artist and go for it. But I think you should be very free
to explore your blue notes even in the songs of Steely Dan or pop
music. Even in fusion music you can hear Blues. I mean, John Scofield
made a Blues album. And I think that also with sound, you can advance
Blues music just by being a little bit free and exploring with sound
like jazz people do. And I’m always on the edge. About to cross
the edge, but I never do because Blues is my biggest influence. And
I don’t want to be a jazz player, and I never will be.
BB: How much time have you invested in the guitar? We’ve heard
you’ve only been playing about 10 years and you have phenomenal
technique. Do you have a natural ability or did you spend a lot of
time with it?
AP: I spent a lot of time when I started. Really, now less, because
I’m on the road. But I’m playing anyway every evening.
But really studying, I spend a lot of time. I mean, I was literally
having my program and I was really so focused on finding my own sound
and style, that I had exactly the program. I thought Ronnie Earl,
John Scofield, Stevie Ray Vaughan is a perfect combination. Why? I
thought Ronnie Earl is really bluesy. He’s a bit jazz and blues,
right? Something T-Bone Walker was doing. And John Scofield has this
freedom of exploring notes. And Stevie had this groove, this incredible
groove – it just goes on and on and gets the band going. So
I had this little problem. I would switch, I would play Albert King
for a long time and the moment I would catch myself playing too many
licks of Albert King, I would switch the record – even if I
didn’t
want to. You know you get to a mood where you practice and practice
and you start sounding like somebody and you go, wow, that is incredible.
I even sound like him and even have the same tone. And you don’t
want to switch the record, but I did it on purpose because I don’t
want to sound like anybody else. And it took me a long time, but I’m
really enjoying my own licks. Because it’s really difficult
to come up with something new and different. And what makes me different
from a lot of Blues players is maybe phrasing. Because I listen to
a lot of jazz saxophone players and I listen to a lot of George Benson,
which really helped develop different phrasing. I still play the same
notes as other Blues players, but if you get a little bit out of the
back beat and everything, you get something else. (Laughs) A little
bit of Ana Popovic, I guess.
BB: How would you compare American audiences to European
audiences?
AP: I love American audiences. It’s a big challenge for me
and I love coming here. And everything I do in life is because of
a challenge. Because people say it’s impossible for a Yugoslavian
guitar player to come outside of Yugoslavia and play Blues for Dutch
people. Or play Blues for French people. And there’s no way
you can come across the Atlantic Ocean and play Blues for American
people. And I’m just thinking, that is exactly what I want to
try. And I’m not afraid of failure. And I want to be compared.
And I want to come here and learn. I played a couple of times in American
bands and I recorded my records here just because I can learn from
the people I work with. That’s exactly what keeps me going and
America is definitely the top challenge I have. I don’t have
a wish to go to Japan and play my music. I don’t wish to go
to Africa and play my music. I really love the Blues because this
is the music I grew up with. And I can hear it at every festival.
And I think the audience is really nice and they really are not afraid
of the new things in Blues. Like they really know where I come from,
and if I have a line of Elmore James, they will recognize it right
away. But they’re really open for new things. Like I play a
Steely Dan song, I play some Jimi Hendrix, I play some little jazzy
things and they are really open to that. While in Europe, they are
like, “is this Blues or is it jazz?” Would they be offended
if I play a Steely Dan song in my set? It’s all Bluesy and it’s
all Blue notes. And I love exploring and really going to the edge.
Like, really go the edge with my ideas and everything – and
then being marked, you know, graded for what I do – is it good,
is it bad, or whatever. The next time it will be better or whatever,
and that’s what I like about American audiences. Plus they always
understand what I’m singing about. Which is not always the case
in France (laughs) and some other countries. A lot of people don’t
speak English. So it’s good to be here – they know what
you’re talking about and it’s good.
BB: Tell us about your new CD.
AP: We just got a live DVD and a CD from Amsterdam and it’s
one of the best shows we ever did. And the chances of that happening
in one night is very small. We wanted to do what we’ve been
doing on stage for a long time, capture it, and we wanted to get the
best crew, that is reserved only for main stream acts. We got the
best crew in Holland. They do the North Sea Jazz Festival and other
big pop events. They are very expensive for Blues musicians and Blues
labels. Nobody does that. But we really wanted to have them. And we
didn’t have a budget for a couple of days. We just had to have
them for literally five hours. And the organization in five hours
was incredible and everything happened “right.” The sound
is good, the lights were good and the band felt great. The solos were
without a mistake, the singing is great and I don’t have to
do any overdubs. And the whole crew just did great shots with the
video. It’s so small, the chances were so small and I’m
so overwhelmed. Because there is nothing better than capturing a period
of your life and your career in the best possible way. So we all long
for that. We all have the best gigs in a small box. Because we are
loose, and when you go to the big stage it is a bit tricky and stuff.
So I am very happy we actually got through one of the best things
we ever did. And it’s again a mixture of styles. I got some
Blues. Howlin’ Wolf, some roots music, some Steely Dan. And
I’ve
got some rock music and I’ve got some jazzy stuff. It’s
a very good live CD and DVD. We’ve got three new songs, never
released before. We’ve got an acoustic session on the bridge
in Amsterdam with a song of Elmore James, “Done Somebody Wrong.” We’ve
got a lot of nice extras. We’ve got a nice interview about life
and about the political situation in Yugoslavia. Just a lot of things.
And I think it’s a very nice DVD.
BB: Tell us about some of your most memorable experiences on stage.
What sticks out in your mind as to exciting performances or people
you’ve performed with?
AP: Just yesterday! (Laughs), Yesterday and a week ago! Yeah, there
were great festivals, like the festival in Wheeling, West Virginia,
and Loudonville, Ohio yesterday. It was about two and a half hours
of signing CDs. And Rockland, Maine two years ago. They were very
nice festivals. There were really long lines for signing CD’s
and the people were going really nuts! And that is incredible, to
do these things in America.
But I love playing with American people, playing with Kenny Neal,
I love jamming with Walter, I love jamming with Eric Sardinas and
Solomon Burke. I had a chance to play concerts with Solomon Burke
and that was just an incredible experience – just incredible.
Yeah, maybe the best. I don’t know. Just jamming and being able
to stand next to somebody you really admire for years onstage and
then come up with something to like surprise them. Come up with a
lick – you have to always think what are their licks - and then
come up with something that is totally not their licks. That’s
how I do it. And I think it works.
BB: Who would you like to perform with that you haven’t performed
with thus far?
AP: Sonny Landreth. He’s my big hero for slide. I love that
guy. He’s great. He’s amazing. He’s very free and
exploring sounds and styles. Umm, a lot. Just a lot of guys. B.B.
King. Eric Clapton. You name it.
BB: That’d be great, huh?
AP: Oh, yeah. Kenny Neal. He’s right here. It’s going
to happen. Tonight. (Laughs.) I love his playing and his singing and
his sound. It’s just incredible.
BB: What’s next for you after this tour? Do you have plans
for another CD?
AP: Yeah. I have songs that are ready completely to go to a studio.
So I am looking for a label because I have three records with Ruf
Records and that is now done. So I’m looking for a new label
and talking to some people. So, that’s the next thing. We have
to go to the studio toward the end of the year and record these songs,
and I’m very proud of them. There are a couple of political
songs, about time in Yugoslavia under Milosevic. There’s some
love songs. There’s songs about time and about just life. I
enjoy everyday life. I’m not a musician 100%. I enjoy being
on the road, but I just enjoy everyday life – what normal people
have. And I think that a lot of musicians lose it with being on the
road. And I don’t want that to happen to me. So I really, really
enjoy just being back home. And I want to have both things. Both sides
of the medal. So I’m writing about these things. Just everyday
stuff.
BB: Songs you mean?
AP: Yes. I write songs. There are some things about what happened
in Yugoslavia, and after I left and also before. And it just took
me time to get over the whole thing and start writing about it. And
I still think there’s a lot of people that don’t have
really a chance. Just because they are born in a system that doesn’t
allow you to do much with your life. And the years pass by and it
is not your fault. And a lot of people are not strong, like I think
I am, to just go out and start from zero and do something. And I feel
sorry for these people and it’s not their fault. So I love these
kind of stories. But also stories about musicians. Like I have on
the last record a story about Jaco Pastorius, which is the same as
a story about Jimi Hendrix. They were just extreme talents that couldn’t
control their lives. So, they’re very sad stories, very sad
life stories although they were geniuses in art, in art forms. And
that really attracts me. I love reading books about their lives and
I love everything that I am not - what they are. You know? In a way
that I can have my privacy. I have my life in order and there is nothing
that I do bad.
BB: Are you surprised that after only 10 years, you’re out
touring the world? It’s quite an accomplishment.
AP: I love it. I started in Belgrade, Yugoslavia and when I wanted
to move, they all thought I was crazy. Because I had a lot of work,
I right away hit the top charts with a Blues record - which was incredible.
Nobody ever hit the top charts with an English record. I mean, it
just didn’t happen in Yugoslavia. You have to sing in your own
language. And we were the first English singing band. I never sang
in my own language. And I really wanted to try something else. I can’t
really be stuck in the same place. A lot of people do that in Europe
and earn a lot of money with that. You know, just tour Germany for
twenty years. Same places. Over and over again. But outside Germany,
nobody knows their names. It’s really not what attracts me.
At all. Just that you can wake up on one side of the ocean instead
of the other and people scream some of your songs – like the
names of your songs, or some lyrics. I think that’s beautiful.
And I’m very happy of course, and there are a lot of things
I would still like to accomplish of course, and I really always want
more, for some reason, but I am also happy with what I have.
BB: What are some of the things you would like to accomplish?
AP: Well I always want to bring my music to a better level, and I
love bigger stages and I love good sound and good lighting, and I
like an audience that really knows what I’m doing. And that
means a major record deal. But I don’t want to change because
of a major record deal because I don’t want to make too many
compromises. I don’t want to be a Britney Spears or somebody
who gets songs in her hand when she wants to sing. I want to do my
own songs. I want to sing my own music. And I think there is still
a lot of beautiful things totally away from MTV and totally away from
big things that are still very nice. And sort of a jazz, blues scene
where you don’t have to be worried if your video is on MTV or
not. Where you can just play very nice stages. Beautiful stages with
jazzy stuff, bluesy stuff, some intellectual music which I think pop
music doesn’t have. Pop music is just rush, rush with the hits
and people who write songs for you and tell you what to do and how
to look and everything. That is not my goal. But somewhere in between
what I do now and that circuit of pop is maybe where I want to be.
BB: What would you most like your fans to know about you and your
music?
AP: Well, I want them to explore it with me. I want them to know
that I have no idea how my next stuff is going to look like. I mean
I have the songs, but the way it’s going to sound, I don’t
know. Because I love the moment of making it. I just love the energy
that some people have when they're twenty-five, twenty-nine, or eighteen.
I think that songs that I recorded when I was twenty, I think if I
played them now, it won’t sound like anything. I mean there
are just some songs that sound right in that particular moment when
you are not such a good guitar player and you don’t have the
scales, and you don’t have anything that you have now. So, I
think, that just exploring the moment, and maybe this moment I’m
not the guitar player that I’m going to be in five years. But
I think it’s beautiful the energy I have with my band. That
we just create on the spot. And maybe the songs we have now, maybe
I’ll be a much better songwriter in five years. But I just want
the audience to enjoy the moment where we are now. Because Sting didn’t
write songs like he does now when he was eighteen, like Message in
a Bottle, and these things. Maybe now he’s a way better songwriter
and musician and has much more money to explore with studio jazz musicians
and everything. But that specific energy that they had at that time
as the Police can never be replaced. What Hendrix had on stage at
that time is just full of young, young energy. People who are full
of young energy when they express themselves. I think that is so beautiful.
And you can study later on. But I’m so happy I was able to capture
certain moments of my life. I had a record in Yugoslavia, singing
in a weird accent of English, and then I had a record later on. I
have a great DVD at the moment. And these are all just different parts
of me.
BB: Your performance today was great. I know you had some reservations
about how it sounded from the stage, but out in the audience it was
really great and the people seemed to connect with what you
were doing and appreciate it. And we think that’s so cool because
it’s a Blues Festival but you really push those boundaries and
mix in a lot of other things. And the fact that they could connect
with that and appreciate what you were doing is a real compliment
to you and your music.
AP: Thank you. I really think that is incredible. And I really love
it every evening because tonight we had a very difficult sound, so
I didn’t really feel it that way. But like yesterday, or all
the rest of the tour, this is just incredible because the audience,
I mean I’m playing these songs now already like three years.
Sort of more or less the same material, and now we really got like
a movement. Like the right song set. Because it’s not easy to
connect all these different styles in one set. And I always had in
mind, I just don’t want my audience to be bored for a second.
I have to keep their attention for that set, the whole set. And the
only way you can do that is to mix styles. And play every style with
a respect to that style. That means that you have to rock in one song
and forget the scales. And if you play a jazzy song, which I didn’t
tonight because of the sound, you have to really get into this George
Benson clean sound. And it’s very difficult to switch in one
set. Because you have one energy going and then to really switch and
play a shuffle, and play Blues with respect to the style, and then
you switch and you play rock. And you play Rolling Stone licks, and
then you play jazzy style, and it’s very difficult. And to see
the audience’s response to this whole wave of different things
is just incredible. I love it. When the good concert happens, like
on my DVD, it’s a miracle. It’s great. It’s really
nice, because somewhere, it’s all my idea. A lot of people at
the beginning really didn’t like what I was doing. A lot of
producers were like freaking out, with the idea of like putting a
Steely Dan song on a Blues record. Because it’s really unusual
for a Blues record, but I really hear Blues in that song, Night By
Night, it’s very bluesy to me. I hear Blue notes in a lot of
music and I really want to bring that out. So now it’s kind
of polished and they just really dig this. And of course, the whole
thing about playing America is another dimension because people here
know their own music. They grew up with it. So it’s a little
bit more difficult I guess. And to see them digging this whole thing
is great.
BB: Touring as you do, and being in different venues every night,
and dealing with different sound systems and different audiences,
and just being on the road, and yet you come across with the energy
and enthusiasm as you do. How do you manage to keep that enthusiasm
up after years of touring and performing?
AP: Well, I need my off days. I cherish my off days. I could never
go on a four month tour because I think it’s not right. I mean
you shouldn’t empty your energy because you simply don’t
have it for on and on. And I think a lot of musicians I see on stage
really learn how to rest during the set, which I don’t have.
And my father was always telling me, look at the concert, they rest.
They have long solos. They have long slow Blues songs, they take their
time, But I really think the attention of the audience is gone. And
I really don’t want that. So if I give 150% like I do at my
concerts everyday, it’s impossible for me. So I really cherish
my off days. Like I told you, I really think that a lot of musicians
miss beautiful everyday life. Which you have with your friends and
your family and your relationship. Which is very important to me.
And I don’t want to be a frustrated musician on the road. I
want to have both. So that’s what I do. And a one month tour
is long for me. But America, I really enjoy it. Tonight was a difficult
concert. Very difficult. As I said, very difficult sound on stage.
So then I lose a lot of energy. But it was not a long set. But I just
had a marvelous tour, and it keeps me going from one night to another.
But I know that after this tour is gone, I need some off days. I take
my vacations very seriously. When I have a vacation, I go to a tropical
island. (Laughs.) And that gives me so much energy because after a
week I am dying to get back on stage. And I think that is the only
true way to be for my audience that comes to see me. And that particular
concert, they come to see me, I have to be 150%. That’s what
I think and they deserve that.
BB: Music is a gift that the performer has within themselves, but
also something that they share with the audience. How important is
it to you, having this gift and sharing it with your audiences?
AP: There is no greater thing than that. If the concert is good and
there is energy with my band and the audience, there is nothing that
beats that feeling. Nothing. It’s very important to me. I think
there a lot of people who work that are not happy with what they do.
And I think everyone who has a little tiny happiness in what they
do have already achieved a lot. There is a lot of jobs out there from
computers, you know, twenty dollars or something, I don’t know,
banks, post office or whatever. There are a lot of people that are
not happy and not strong enough to change that. But this? This really
completes me, very much. I can’t imagine anything else I could
do. But I really want my music on a very nice level and if I don’t
see it progress, I might even stop one day. Because I just couldn’t
bear it going down. I mean, I couldn’t bear going back to the
places I played ten years ago. So in that manner I am really trying
to keep my stages up and places I play up. Because I think to lose
what I have now would be a disaster. I love it. I love what I do and
I love my band. And yeah, it’s beautiful. It’s beautiful.
BB: Do you have anything else you’d like to share before we
end the interview? Anything you’d like your fans to know about
yourself or your career?
AP: Well, I have this long dream about going on a Blues cruise with
all the American bands. And now it’s actually going to happen.
So that’s a beautiful thing. And I’m going to bring my
dad to the Blues cruise because it’s going to be the time of
his life - the famous Blues cruise starting in Fort Lauderdale and
going to Jamaica with Taj Mahal and everybody. So I really enjoy that.
And I’m really happy about my songs. They’re completely
new. They’re something different. They’re very modern
and I’m thinking of doing two different things. I’m going
to do a Blues album something maybe even dedicated to Johnny Winter
which is my big influence in slide playing and I simply love that
guy. He’s the main reason I play too many notes. He is the one
to blame. I heard him and I could never get off that thing. And I
want to do this little produced thing and I have really nice songs
that are very very true, about my ideas and about life at this moment
and I think those are the best I ever did. So I want to record them
and I hope it will be soon. I’m talking to some record labels
and everything. I want to do two different things. I’m looking
for something else. And that’s it. There is nothing more to
add. I’m
looking forward to playing more in America.
BB: We’re looking forward to hearing more of you.
AP: Thank you so much.